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		<title>By: Lars Clausen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lars Clausen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 18:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m very new at wedding photography, but I&#039;m surprised at the notion that you;d do just formals or just photojournalistic. You gotta have different picture styles for different purposes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m very new at wedding photography, but I&#8217;m surprised at the notion that you;d do just formals or just photojournalistic. You gotta have different picture styles for different purposes.</p>
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		<title>By: Nashville Wedding Photographer - Ashlea Terhune</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nashville Wedding Photographer - Ashlea Terhune</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a relatively new wedding photographer in the Nashville, TN area.  What we&#039;ve discovered mirrors some of the other comments posted here.  Brides love the photojournalistic style and prefer it over the formals by far...BUT, they won&#039;t entirely let go of the formals either.  Even if the formals don&#039;t tell the story of the day or convey much in the way of emotion, the brides feel like they would be missing out...or their mothers or grandmothers would be missing out.  

Now having said that, I do believe there is a place for formal wedding photography.  I should note however that when I say formals, don&#039;t think plastic plants, long candles, steps at the alter, etc.  Even the most conservative of brides do not like that style now.  I&#039;d say there is a new &#039;formal&#039; shot that is modern and more relaxed, with backgrounds not quite so sterile. #2 above lies somewhere in between.  A better example would be the traditional groups posed in front of a nice garden or something.  

Just a few thoughts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a relatively new wedding photographer in the Nashville, TN area.  What we&#8217;ve discovered mirrors some of the other comments posted here.  Brides love the photojournalistic style and prefer it over the formals by far&#8230;BUT, they won&#8217;t entirely let go of the formals either.  Even if the formals don&#8217;t tell the story of the day or convey much in the way of emotion, the brides feel like they would be missing out&#8230;or their mothers or grandmothers would be missing out.  </p>
<p>Now having said that, I do believe there is a place for formal wedding photography.  I should note however that when I say formals, don&#8217;t think plastic plants, long candles, steps at the alter, etc.  Even the most conservative of brides do not like that style now.  I&#8217;d say there is a new &#8216;formal&#8217; shot that is modern and more relaxed, with backgrounds not quite so sterile. #2 above lies somewhere in between.  A better example would be the traditional groups posed in front of a nice garden or something.  </p>
<p>Just a few thoughts.</p>
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		<title>By: Kara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 06:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I sort of agree, but sort of disagree at the same time. For the most part, there are some really good points there, and a very valid argument, Booray.

I would be inclined to agree with Matt Needham: Sure, a lot of photographers would predominantly market themselves as photojournalists/natural-lighters (I try not to &quot;categorise&quot; myself too much, at least to clients, so much as display and discuss the images that are most representative of my style, which is a candid, perhaps a little bit of a fine art, approach). But those same (photojournalist) photographers (except purists) would *probably* also integrate some formal portraiture too - yet probably don&#039;t advertise those shots as much or at all on their site or their blog. In that way, I sense that - even though a shift is probably occurring, toward photojournalism - more formal portraiture isn&#039;t as dead as it may seem.

I agree with Enche Tjin as well, where he said that it should be 95% photojournalstic, 5% formal. That sounds like a good balance to me - unless of course you are a purely formal photographer, in which case I think the reverse would be more appropriate.

The other thing to note is of course that traditional, formal posing doesn&#039;t always have to involve off-camera flash in order to be effective or suitable for aesthetic or sentimental longevity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sort of agree, but sort of disagree at the same time. For the most part, there are some really good points there, and a very valid argument, Booray.</p>
<p>I would be inclined to agree with Matt Needham: Sure, a lot of photographers would predominantly market themselves as photojournalists/natural-lighters (I try not to &#8220;categorise&#8221; myself too much, at least to clients, so much as display and discuss the images that are most representative of my style, which is a candid, perhaps a little bit of a fine art, approach). But those same (photojournalist) photographers (except purists) would *probably* also integrate some formal portraiture too &#8211; yet probably don&#8217;t advertise those shots as much or at all on their site or their blog. In that way, I sense that &#8211; even though a shift is probably occurring, toward photojournalism &#8211; more formal portraiture isn&#8217;t as dead as it may seem.</p>
<p>I agree with Enche Tjin as well, where he said that it should be 95% photojournalstic, 5% formal. That sounds like a good balance to me &#8211; unless of course you are a purely formal photographer, in which case I think the reverse would be more appropriate.</p>
<p>The other thing to note is of course that traditional, formal posing doesn&#8217;t always have to involve off-camera flash in order to be effective or suitable for aesthetic or sentimental longevity.</p>
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		<title>By: Enche Tjin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Enche Tjin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 23:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it should be 95% PJ, 5% formal shots. I believe that if you want a formal photos for wall, they should go to portraits photographer for that, Formal photographers with studio lighting and stuff is not wedding photographer job. Wedding photographer primary job is to document the event.

Good formal photography takes time, it is not a 5 minutes set up. If you try to setup formals photos in the wedding day, you&#039;ll end up taking a big chunk of their time, and it is not fun for u, them and their guests.

Many photographers thought that candid is easy, just bang bang bang and you got it. But it is not. It is actually one of the hardest, because it takes a lot of your concentration and mental power in and out. Many things need to be considered such as perspective, timing, geometry, lighting and so on.

Today, many photographers advertise themselves as a candid photographer, but in practice they are far from that. They just shoot endlessly like machine gun and hope something great will show up later on,.. or if that doesn&#039;t happen, they will photoshop it, which is a shame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it should be 95% PJ, 5% formal shots. I believe that if you want a formal photos for wall, they should go to portraits photographer for that, Formal photographers with studio lighting and stuff is not wedding photographer job. Wedding photographer primary job is to document the event.</p>
<p>Good formal photography takes time, it is not a 5 minutes set up. If you try to setup formals photos in the wedding day, you&#8217;ll end up taking a big chunk of their time, and it is not fun for u, them and their guests.</p>
<p>Many photographers thought that candid is easy, just bang bang bang and you got it. But it is not. It is actually one of the hardest, because it takes a lot of your concentration and mental power in and out. Many things need to be considered such as perspective, timing, geometry, lighting and so on.</p>
<p>Today, many photographers advertise themselves as a candid photographer, but in practice they are far from that. They just shoot endlessly like machine gun and hope something great will show up later on,.. or if that doesn&#8217;t happen, they will photoshop it, which is a shame.</p>
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		<title>By: Booray Perry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Booray Perry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 17:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, great comments from everyone and only one person attacked my actual pictures.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, great comments from everyone and only one person attacked my actual pictures.  <img src='http://www.photocrati.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: John Mitchell</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Mitchell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 06:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I embrase the use of &#039;Candid, Formal and Photo journanistic&#039; styles which work well together in telling a brides story. But its the Formal Portraits (with controlled lighting) which builds our creativity as Professional Photographers in keeping us at a &#039;cutting edge&#039; above the &#039;occasional Wedding snappers&#039;!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I embrase the use of &#8216;Candid, Formal and Photo journanistic&#8217; styles which work well together in telling a brides story. But its the Formal Portraits (with controlled lighting) which builds our creativity as Professional Photographers in keeping us at a &#8216;cutting edge&#8217; above the &#8216;occasional Wedding snappers&#8217;!</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Decker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Decker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 19:32:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great Post, Booray!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great Post, Booray!</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Needham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Needham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 19:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...it still seems like we are starting to move towards a complete elimination of the “formal” wedding portrait.&quot;

On photographers&#039; blogs and forums it may seem that way.  In the real world I suspect the vast majority of photographers are offering and will continue to offer both.  About half the Brides I speak with express to me that the PJ style coverage is what is most important to them, but they still want some posed photos.  The other half think both styles are important.  I also think what is desired and expected from the wedding photography varies in different parts of the world.  I live and work in the midwest USA, and I don&#039;t see much demand for photographers who specialize in only one style or the other.  Brides expect both.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;it still seems like we are starting to move towards a complete elimination of the “formal” wedding portrait.&#8221;</p>
<p>On photographers&#8217; blogs and forums it may seem that way.  In the real world I suspect the vast majority of photographers are offering and will continue to offer both.  About half the Brides I speak with express to me that the PJ style coverage is what is most important to them, but they still want some posed photos.  The other half think both styles are important.  I also think what is desired and expected from the wedding photography varies in different parts of the world.  I live and work in the midwest USA, and I don&#8217;t see much demand for photographers who specialize in only one style or the other.  Brides expect both.</p>
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		<title>By: Curtis Copeland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Curtis Copeland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 16:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right on the money.  I was focusing heavily on the photojournalistic style - but after a few weddings realized there was just something missing.  When photographing subjects, our role is to create images our clients will treasure for years - not just follow a trendy fad. Blending talent, style, composition, positing and current trends is at the core of solid wedding photography.  Thanks for the article!  It spoke to something I was also contemplating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right on the money.  I was focusing heavily on the photojournalistic style &#8211; but after a few weddings realized there was just something missing.  When photographing subjects, our role is to create images our clients will treasure for years &#8211; not just follow a trendy fad. Blending talent, style, composition, positing and current trends is at the core of solid wedding photography.  Thanks for the article!  It spoke to something I was also contemplating.</p>
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		<title>By: Cybergus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cybergus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 16:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well...

1, 2 and 3 are examples of what Not to do when shooting photography, that means messy backgrounds and intersecting lines with bodies.

I pay a lot more attention to all that stuff in the kitchen&#039;s background than the couple kiss.

In the other side... I don&#039;t know if Jeff Ascough (jeffascough.com) is killing &quot;the formal portrait&quot;... do you think so?...

maybe because I don&#039;t know if the right word is &quot;formal&quot; or &quot;fake&quot;.

A wedding is a special moment, not to pose, but to just live it, a fake pose is not telling you the story, not even the idea of a special moment, is just a common idea of how wedding photography has to be.

Maybe people is waking up, maybe this is the time for the best ones to prevail. Renew or die.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well&#8230;</p>
<p>1, 2 and 3 are examples of what Not to do when shooting photography, that means messy backgrounds and intersecting lines with bodies.</p>
<p>I pay a lot more attention to all that stuff in the kitchen&#8217;s background than the couple kiss.</p>
<p>In the other side&#8230; I don&#8217;t know if Jeff Ascough (jeffascough.com) is killing &#8220;the formal portrait&#8221;&#8230; do you think so?&#8230;</p>
<p>maybe because I don&#8217;t know if the right word is &#8220;formal&#8221; or &#8220;fake&#8221;.</p>
<p>A wedding is a special moment, not to pose, but to just live it, a fake pose is not telling you the story, not even the idea of a special moment, is just a common idea of how wedding photography has to be.</p>
<p>Maybe people is waking up, maybe this is the time for the best ones to prevail. Renew or die.</p>
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